there may well be no discussion to be had as i'm not familiar with how this ended up being taken away in the first place -- was it through updating the plugin of KZTimer or was it a conscious decision made by you guys to encourage becoming a VIP? of course you might think this is biased or something because i have the pro player tag but actually i would like to put forward a suggestion if possible of granting ALL players an opportunity to noclip, hook or some other means of travel through the map when they have no timer going. If incentive is the game might i suggest dropping the Rank flag down to skilled and above to give the newer players something to aspire to and keep them coming back on the servers? i'm aware it's still possible to ask a player who is VIP to go to a specific spot in the map for you and then use the !goto command but sometimes us gamers just want to be unsociable and crack on or don't have the means to as no VIPs are on scenario 1 - i'm just chilling in vip with a couple guys or on HoC 2 at night when it's not as busy and we're on a random 5minute map, i'm going for a pro run in traditional kz style and fall at some jump late on because i'm bad, i'd then like to make sure to myself i can do that jump before resetting my run in the hopes of not falling there again but can't now get back up there even after using !stop scenario 2 - ive just joined the server and would like to test a jump out or remember the latter part of the map before going for a time scenario 3 - i've come on to improve or practice my longjumps but the LJ room portal is at the end of the map, looks like i'll have to pester everyone in the server and find out who's there this is especially nightmarish on longer maps where even using TPs can take a huge chunk of time to get to where you want to go often times making it impossible to move around on maps like agitation overall it just feels restricting when playing, perhaps i've been accustomed to this for too long as it was very much the norm in 1.6 for reference, the popular scheme was giving noclip to all players as a means of travel, it was a littler slower and less-cool than the colorful hooks that the VIPs were using perhaps you could approach it in the same way with noclip for standard players and a flashier, cooler-looking means of travelling for the VIPs this plugin could be a potential contender https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=1839628 be aware i'm not complaining because it's not like how it was in 1.6 but instead confused as to why this useful feature for the KZ player is not available here in HoC please don't hesitate to get involved
Noclip has always been a VIP feature. It was enabled for all players who completed a map accidentally during a previous KZTimer update. Adding hook mod is already on our todo list. We will consider granting noclip to players who reach a high skillgroup.
Noclip was always VIP? I play bhop more than KZ but that's not what I remember. I thought it was always enabled after you beat the map.
Alright, i'm sure i'm not alone in wanting noclip, will be interesting to see if you guys add it or not
And as it turns out, KZTimer doesn't provide a way to provide noclip based on skillgroup, only admin and vip.
